Carliles, Pittman & Co.: History

 

The Company[1]

The London warehouse with the name Carliles, Pittman & Co. at 11 to 13 Bow Lane in Cheapside was established sometime between 1830[2] and 1835 as it was first listed as such in 1835[3].   Prior to this the company had several different names.  Edward Carlile formed his business as a wholesale haberdasher around 1800[4] which was recorded that year as E. Carlile at 11 Bow Lane, Cheapside in a London city directory.  A haberdasher[5] was a business or person who sold small articles for sewing, dress making and knitting.  Edward continued to be listed as such at that address in 1815[6] and 1820[7], then in 1830[8] the firm was recorded in a city directory as Carlile & Co.  In 1837[9] it was listed in a book as Carlile, Nephew & Co. at Bow Lane.  Evidently the firm went through some name changes as new partners were added and these name changes were sometimes recorded differently in various places.  Although Edward Carlile’s nephew, William Carlile, moved to London and joined his uncle’s business around 1805, he apparently did not become a partner until later, possibly in the late 1820’s or early 1830’s.  At some point Edward’s son, James Emlyn Carlile, and William’s son, Edward Carlile, also joined the family business.  It was only after John Pittman became a partner during the early 1830’s that the name of the business was changed to Carliles, Pittman & Co., a name it retained for the rest of its existence.  According to a city register, Mr. Pittman’s brother, Robert Pittman, also became a partner sometime between 1834[10] and 1837[11].   After the founder, Edward Carlile’s death in 1833, his nephew William Carlile became the head of the firm until his death in 1853.  It seems most likely that after William’s death, James Emlyn Carlile became the person in charge of the business until his death in 1859 and then William’s son, Edward Carlile, became the head.   By 1851[12] the business expanded to include 11, 12 and 13 Bow Lane. 

 

This firm acted as agents for other companies and was also involved as assignees in several bankruptcy cases over the years which meant they provided services and a variety of products to other businesses indicating they were well known.  The way they were listed in these court cases provides additional clues to who held the most stock in the firm or was the head of the business during those years based on the order in which they were listed.  In an 1813[13] bankruptcy case the company was listed simply as Edward Carlile of Bow Lane, haberdasher.  Then in an 1843[14] case they were listed as James Emlyn Carlile, William Carlile, John Pittman, Robert Pittman and Edward Carlile of No. 11 Bow-lane, warehousemen.  In 1852[15] they were recorded as William Carlile, John Pittman, Robert Pittman, James Emlyn Carlile and Edward Carlile of Bow Lane, warehousemen and copartners.

 

The partnership between John and Robert Pittman and Edward Carlile was dissolved in 1861[16] with regards to Robert Pittman and the business was carried on by Edward Carlile and John Pittman.  Edward’s son, Wilson Carlile, also joined his father’s business at some point.  The 1869[17] advertisement seen here provides addition information about the types of products they sold.  In 1874[18] the firm was listed several times as one of 13 or 15 wholesale houses in the London area who made special displays of their goods as a service to retail drapers, milliners, etc. contemplating a visit to the wholesale markets.  This is further evidence that the firm was well known and quite successful.  Two years later in 1876[19] one employee, Sidney Stamper Thomas, registered a provisional patent for an improvement in the construction of hand and machine sewing needles.  This invention discussed  a way to improve the difficultly of passing the thread endwise through the eye of the needle.  Whether this was ever produced is unknown.  All evidence uncovered to date indicates the company was sold sometime between 1875[20], as that was the last time it appeared in city directories, and 1879[21] when it appears to have been bought by the London firm Foster, Porter & Co.

 

To date only one Avery style needle case has been found with the Carliles, Pittman & Co. Bow Lane, London name.  The Royal with Vase flat style needle case, pictured here, was patented in 1869 by William Avery a needle manufacturer and Albert Fenton a machinist from Redditch, UK.  This needle case is one that Mr. Avery licensed to at least six other companies including four who were warehousemen from the London area.  Mr. Avery most likely made arrangements with these companies so they could have their names stamped on the outside with Avery’s needles inside.  This way both companies would be recognized and by working with large warehouses in the London area, Avery could sell more of his needles.  Perhaps after entering into a licensing arrangement with Avery, Carliles, Pittman & Co. presented Avery with their idea for improvements to hand and machine needles!

The Carlile Owners[22]

Edward Carlile, the founder of Carliles, Pittman & Co., was born in 1766 in Paisley, Scotland, a town 8 miles west of Glasgow.  He was the youngest son of John Carlile.  His father, John, was born in 1702 in Annan, Scotland, a town 87 miles south of Paisley.  John married Janet Birkmyre in 1742 and the family moved to Paisley where John established the first Scottish thread factory in 1752.  The decision to move to Paisley was most likely because the Industrial Revolution’s textile industry was turning Paisley into an important industrial city, which during the late 18th century became well known for thread making and weaving[23].  The coat of arms of the Carlile of Paisley family is pictured here[24]. John and Janet had 12 children of which 7 died in infancy: Margaret, William, Jean, Janet, James, John, George, Thomas, Agnes, Robert, Mary and Edward.  Three of their four surviving sons, William (1746-1829), James (1752-1835) and Thomas (1755-1820) remained in Scotland working in the thread making industry.  John died there in 1773 in Paisley and Janet died in 1803.

 

As the youngest son with three older brothers, 20, 14 and 11 years older than him, Edward Carlile most likely came to the realization that his opportunities were limited if he remained in Scotland.  Therefore in 1782, sixteen years after being baptized at the Low Church in Paisley in 1766, Edward decided to try his luck elsewhere and moved to London, 394 miles southeast of Paisley.  He established a business as a thread maker at 48 Bow Lane in Cheapside which was first listed in a London city directory in 1795[25].  Edward married Elizabeth Richardson in 1795 at St. Luke’s Church in the Finsbury section of London, located approximately 1 mile north of St. Paul’s Cathedral.  By 1800[26] he was listed as a wholesale haberdasher at 11 Bow Lane in Cheapside which remained his occupation for the remainder of his life.  Bow Lane was located a quarter of a mile east of St. Paul’s.  Edward and Elizabeth had 3 children: James Emlyn, Elizabeth Bloomfield and Janette Ann.  Their son was baptized at St. Mary Aldermary on Bow Lane whereas the two daughters were baptized at St. John’s in Hampstead which indicates the Carlile family moved from central London to Hampstead in west London sometime between 1803 and 1807.  Hampstead[27] was known as a neighborhood where affluent families lived proving that Edward must have either inherited wealth or achieved a high degree of business success to be able to afford to live there.  Further evidence of his status is the fact that he was listed in an 1827[28] newspaper article as Edward Carlile Esquire, an annual subscriber to the local Philanthropic Society.  At the time an Esquire was a title given to the landed gentry or to individuals of high social rank[29].  Edward died in 1833 at age 67 and was buried at St. Johns.  He left a detailed six page will which mentioned his son James Emlyn, his partner and nephew William Carlile, two other Carlile nephews James and John and another partner John Pittman.  Five years later in 1838 his wife Elizabeth died at age 66 in Edmonton, a town in north London.

 

The only son of Edward Carlile and Elizabeth Richardson was James Emlyn Carlile who was born in late 1803 and baptized at St. Mary Aldermary in 1804.  James Emlyn never married and appears to have spent his entire life working as a warehouseman at Bow Lane in Cheapside.  Most likely he inherited his father’s home in Hampstead because that is where he lived and where he was listed in the Hampstead section of a 1840 London directory as James Emlyn Carlile Esquire of High Street.  In 1851 his occupation was listed as Manchester warehouseman.  “A Manchester warehouseman was a wholesaler of linen and cloth made in the factories surrounding Manchester in the North-West of England”[30].   James Emlyn died in 1859 at age 55 and was buried at St. John’s in Hampstead.  In his will he was listed as James Emlyn Carlile Esquire of Bow Lane in Cheapside and of Hampstead, a bachelor.  His estate, valued at £40,000 (approximately £2,365,168 today[31]), was passed to his sister Janette Ann Willoughby, his only next of kin.

 

After Edward Carlile’s death in 1833 his nephew and partner, William Carlile, became the head of the Carlile warehouse at Bow Lane.  William was born in 1787 in Paisley, Scotland, the second surviving son of Edward’s older brother, James Carlile (1752-1835) and his wife Agnes Warrand.  In 1805 at age 18 William moved to London and joined his uncle’s business as a warehouseman.  William’s older brother James Carlile Jr. (1784-1854) also left Paisley for London to join their uncle, however, James decided to forsake business for the ministry, so he returned to Scotland, was ordained in 1813 and then moved to Dublin, Ireland.  William married Anne Hopkins at St. Mary Aldermary in 1817 and they had 6 children born between 1819 and 1830:  Edward, Sarah Anne, James William, Margaret, Isobel Robertson and Elizabeth Hopkins.  The family lived in the Benthal Green section of east London until at least 1823, then moved to Islington in north London where they stayed until at least 1830.  Prior to 1841 they moved again, this time to Brixton in the Lambeth section of south London where the family remained.  Throughout his life William was listed as either a merchant or warehouseman with his business at 11 Bow Lane in Cheapside.  William died in 1853 in Lambeth at age 66 and was buried at the Norwood Cemetery there.  His six page will mentions his wife, his two sons Edward and James William, his cousin James Emlyn Carlile and his business partner John Pittman.  After his death his wife moved to the upscale area of Kensington and in 1861 visited Brighton, Sussex with her daughters Isobel and Eliza.  Elizabeth died a year later in 1862 in Kensington and was buried at Norwood Cemetery.  She left an estate of £450 to her daughters Sarah Ann and Elizabeth Hopkins.

 

The eldest son of William Carlile and Ann Hopkins was named Edward Carlile who will be listed as Edward II for the remainder of this narrative in order not to confused him with Edward the Carlile warehouse business founder.  Edward II was born in 1819 in Benthal Green and was baptized at St. Thomas in Hackney, a section of London just north of Benthal Green.  Edward II married Maria Louisa Wilson in 1845 in Lambeth and they had 12 children: Wilson, Margaret, Florence, Edward Hildred, Beatrice Maria, Julia (died   childhood), Eleanor Anne, Isobel, Marie Louise, Willoughby (died in childhood), Janette Elizabeth and James Victor (died in childhood).   The family lived in the Brixton, Lambeth section of south London until at least 1854, but by 1857 moved a bit west to neighboring Clapham, Wandsworth where they lived until at least 1871.  By 1891 they moved to Richmond, Surrey, 9 miles southwest of central London, where they remained.  Edward II spent his entire life working in the Carlile family business at Bow Lane in Cheapside and became the head of the firm most likely around the time his first cousin once removed, James Emlyn Carlile, died in 1859 and remained as the head until he retired in 1879.  Edward II was listed in 1851 and 1871 as a merchant, however in 1891 and 1901 was listed as living on his own means.  He died in Richmond at age 82 in 1901 and left as estate valued at £31,447 (approximately £2,458,281 today[32]) to his two surviving sons Wilson and Edward Hildred and his daughter Isobel.  His wife Maria Louisa died 7 years later at age 83 in 1908 in Guildford, a town 22 miles southwest of Richmond.

 

The second son of William Carlile and Ann Hopkins was James William Carlile who was born in Benthal Green in 1823.  After some years working in London, James William became a partner in the James Carlile, Sons & Co. firm in Paisley, Scotland in 1843, which was most likely a business associated with his Carlile relatives there.  In 1860[33] the business was listed in a London city directory as Jas. Carlile, Sons, & Co., thread manufacturers at 11 Bow Lane indicating this firm did business at the same address as the Carliles, Pittman and Co. warehouse.  After his father’s death in 1853, James William joined Jonas Brook & Brothers, a thread manufacturing business in Meltham Mills near Huddersfiield, Yorkshire, 183 miles northwest of London, a business with whom his father was connected for over 40 years.  James William married Mary Whiteman in Paisley, Scotland in 1850 and they had 3 children: William Walter, Alice Woodham who was born in Scotland and Agnes Mary who was born in Meltham.  The family lived in Scotland at first, then in London for a few years before moving to Meltham Mills by 1861.   Later they moved to Ponsbourne Park near Hertford, a town 19 miles north of London, where Mary died in 1892 at age 62.  James William married his second wife, Elizabeth Walter Crossley, there in 1895, however she died there seven years later in 1903.  James William died at age 86 in 1909 while visiting Alcester in Warwickshire, 92 miles north west of Ponsbourne Park.  He left an estate of £270,752 (approximately £21,165,279 today[34]), being one of the wealthiest members of this Carlile family.

 

 

The fourth generation of Carlile family members associated with the family’s warehouse business at Bow Lane in Cheapside was Wilson Carlile.  Wilson was born in 1847 in the Lambeth section of London, the eldest son of Edward II and Maria Louisa Wilson.  He married Flora Vickers in 1870 in Twickenham, Middlesex, a west suburban district of London next to Richmond.  Wilson and Flora had 5 children all born in the London area between 1872 and 1884: Victor Wilson, Edward, Christopher, Harold Glyn and Reginald Clifford.  At a young age Wilson worked as the head of the firm of Benjamin Wilson & Co. in Southwark, south London.  He subsequently joined his father at Carliles, Pittman & Co. until the family business was sold in 1879, then he became a priest and founded the Church Army.   After joining the clergy, the family lived in several different places, in 1881 in Kensington, 1891 in Netteswell, Stockwell, Surrey, and then by 1901 settling in Dorking, Surrey, 24 miles southwest of London, where they remained until at least 1925.  Flora died there in 1925 at age 76 leaving an estate of £1,144.  In 1826, a year after her death, Wilson traveled to the USA and Canada for a month before returned to the UK.  He spent his final years in Woking, Surrey, a town 25 miles southwest of London where he died in 1942 at age 95.  His estate valued at £17,845 (approximately £634,417 today[35]) passed to his sons Victor Wilson and Edward.   

 

Wilson Carlile’s younger brother, Edward Hildred Carlile, was the most successful member of his Carlile family although he did not work for Carliles, Pittman & Co.  He was born in 1852 in Lambeth, the 4th child of Edward Carlile II and Maria Louisa Wilson.  Edward Hildred joined his uncle James William Carlile (1823-1909) and became a partner in the Jonas Brook & Brothers firm.  When the business merged with J. & P. Coats Ltd., Edward Hildred became the company’s director.  Later in 1906 he became a member of parliament.  When he died in 1942 he was listed as Sir Edward Hildred Carlile and his estate was valued at £593,024 (approximately £23,333,360 today[36]).

 

There was one other Carlile family member who may have been involved with the Carliles, Pittman & Co. in London.  He was John Carlile, the 4th son of the founder Edward Carlile’s (1766-1833) older brother, Thomas (1755-1820) and his wife Christian Smith.  John Carlile was born in Houston, Scotland in 1802/03.  He moved to London and engaged in mercantile pursuits, possibly working for his uncle’s business for a period of time.  In 1835 he married Ann Williams at St. Michael’s Cornhill which was located about half a mile east of St. Paul’s cathedral.  John and Ann had 8 children born in several different places in the London area between 1837 and 1851: Thomas, Anne, John Summer, Christina, Edward, Stewart, Mary, and Alfred.  In 1853 the family decided to emigrate to Australia, however John died on the journey near the northwest coast of Africa off the Portuguese island of Maderia. When the rest of the family arrived in Australia, Ann gave birth to their last child, Walter Hildred.  As a widowed mother with 7 young children who survived the journey, she remarried and died in Australia in 1882.

 

The Pittman Owners

John Way Pittman and Robert Pittman were two brothers who were involved with the Carliles, Pittman & Co. warehouse business in London.  Their parents, John and Ann Pittman, were from Milborne Port in Somerset, approximately 117 miles west of London.  John and Ann had 7 children all born in Milborne Port between 1787 and 1800: Mary Ann, Hannah Way, Eliza Martha, John Way, Caroline, Jemina and Robert.  Unfortunately, because there were several people in the Milborne Port area with the Pittman surname, further information about these parents has not been found.

 

John Way Pittman was born in 1787 in Milborne Port.  At some point he moved to London where he married Harriett Pittman, possibly a relative, in 1825 at St. Giles without Cripplegate, a church located half a mile north of St. Paul’s. Cathedral.  Sometime between 1830[37] and 1833[38] he joined the Carlile wholesale haberdashery firm which was then renamed Carliles, Pittman & Co.  John Way and Harriett had 9 children born between 1826 and 1845: Harriet, Matilda, Selina, Emma, Amelia, Robert, Frederick, Julia and Emily.  At first the Pittman family lived in the Finsbury section of central London.  John Way was consistently listed as a haberdasher, warehouseman or merchant until he retired sometime between 1861 and 1871.  By 1881 John Way and Harriett moved to Warminster in Wiltshire, approximately 100 miles west of London, where he was listed as a retired merchant.  He died there at age 87 at the end of 1881 leaving an estate valued at £4,035 and was listed as a gentleman.  His wife Harriet died a little over a year later in 1882 at age 78 leaving an estate of £517.

 

Robert Pittman, John Way Pittman’s younger brother, was born in Milborne Port in 1800, the seventh child of John and Ann Pittman.  At some point around 1837 he joined the warehouse firm where his brother was a partner, and he became a partner as well for a period of time.  In 1841 Robert married Mary Deborah Garrett Brine at St. James Clerkenwell Islington in north London and they had 2 children: Robert Edmund and Mary Ellen.  The family lived in Towers Hamlet in east London from at least 1851 until at least 1861.  At some point they move to Langley, Kent, a town 39 miles southeast of London where they spend the rest of their lives.  Robert died there in 1879 at age 78 and was buried there.  He left an estate of £5,000 proved by his wife Mary who died in Hastings, Kent 33 years later in 1911 at age 92.  Mary’s estate was valued at £10,626.

 

 

Carliles, Pittman & Co.: Images

 

Close up view of the Royal with Vase needle case showing the front of the interior section where needle packets were stored.

 

Bow Lane street sign, 2023.

  

Close up view of the Royal with Vase needle case showing the back of the interior section where needle packets were stored.

 

11 Bow Lane, 2023.

 

13 and 12 Bow Lane, 2023.

 

 

Carliles, Pittman & Co.:  Genealogy

 

Carlile Generation 1:  John Carlile (1703-1773) and Janet Birkmyre (1722-1803)

(Note: most of the information about this generation, unless otherwise noted, is from the book entitled “History of the Carlile Family – Paisley Branch” written by some of its members in 1909 available at the National Library of Scotland website at https://www.nls.uk/.  Much of this information is confirmed in another book entitled “Collections for a History of the Ancient Family of Carlisle” published in London in 1822, pages 199-201 available on the Internet at books.google.com)

·       Born: 1703, the son of James Carlile of Annan, Scotland.

·       Wife’s Birth: 1722.

·       Marriage: 1742 to Janet Birkmyre.

·       Occupation: John Carlile left Annan and settled in Paisley where he built the first Scottish thread manufactory in 1752.

·       Death: October 11, 1873 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland.

·       Wife’s Death: June 2, 1803.

·       Children: (Note: only five of his children survived him, the others died within the first few years).

1.     Margaret Carlile (1744-1745).

2.     William Carlile (1746-1829). 

·       Born: April 2, 1746 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland. 

·       Wife’s Birth: 1751.

·       Marriage: June 23, 1774 to his second cousin Janet Birkmyre.

·       Occupation: William Carlile was a bleacher and thread manufacturer with his father.

·       Wife’s Death: May 7, 1826.

·       Death: October 20, 1829.

·       Children: they had 10 children of which 8 died in infancy and are not named in the History of the Carlile Family.

a.      George (1788-1845) - never married.

b.     Jean (??-??).

3.     Jean Carlile (1748-1749).

4.     Janet Carlile (1749-1755).

5.     James Carlile (1752-1835).

·       Born: 1752.

·       Wife’s Birth: 1759

·       Marriage: 1782 to Agnes Warrand.

·       Occupation: James Carlile joined his father in the cotton thread manufactory in Paisley.

·       Wife’s Death: 1800.

·       Died: 1835.

·       Children: (note: the children’s birth and death years are from a family tree on ancestry.com because they were not listed in the History of the Carlile Family).

a.      John Carlile (1783-1784).

b.     James Carlile (1784-1854).

·       Born: February 7, 1784 Paisley, Scotland.

·       Marriage: first to Mary Beilby who died without issue.  Second marriage in 1821 to Jane Wren who was born in 1799 and died in 1852.

·       Occupation: James Carlile left Paisley for London to join his uncle Edward Carlile in the business of a warehouseman at Bow Lane in Cheapside but decided to forsake business for ministry.  He returned to Scotland, was ordained in 1813 and then moved to Dublin, Ireland.

·       Died: March 31, 1854

·       3 Children: Mary Carlile, James Wren Carlile, William Warrand Carlile

c.      Margaret Carlile (1785-1855).

d.     William Carlile (1787-1853). - See Carlile Generation 3.

e.      Alexander Carlile (1788-1860).

f.       Agnes Carlile (1790-1847).

g.     Janet Carlile (1791-1815).

h.     Thomas Carlile (1792-1792).

i.       Elisabeth Carlile (1793-1838).

j.       Edward Carlile (1794-1808).

k.     Mary Carlile (1795-1875).

l.       Warrand Carlile (1796-1881).

m.    John Carlile (1797-1817).

6.     John Carlile (1754-1755).

7.     George Carlile (1756-1757).

8.     Thomas Carlile (1755-1820). 

·       Born: 1755 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland.

·       Marriage: 1789 to Christian Smith.

·       Occupation: Thomas Carlile went in business in Houston, a town five miles west of Paisley, and worked as a bleacher.

·       Death: December 24, 1820 Houston, Renfrewshire, Scotland.

·       Wife’s Death: 1831.

·       Children: (note: the children’s birth and death years are from a family tree on ancestry.com because they were not listed in the History of the Carlile Family).

a.      William Carlile (1790-1846).

b.     Thomas Carlile (1792-1878).

c.      Robert Carlile (1795-1850).

d.     John Carlile (1802/3-1853).  Born: 1803 (S=History of the Carlile Family), June 16, 1802 (S1c).  Baptized: June 20, 1802 Houston, Renfrewshire, Scotland (S1c), listed as John Carlile with parents Thomas Carlile and Christian Smith.  Married: December 10, 1835 St. Michael Cornhill, London (S1m), listed John Carlile and Ann Williams.  Occupation: John Carlile moved to London and engaged in mercantile pursuits.  1851 Census: 20 Alfred Place, St. Giles in the Fields, Finsbury, Middlesex (S4), listed as John Carlile age 48 a catholic priest at the apostolic church on Newman Street born in Scotland with wife Ann age 36 born in Blackheath, Kent and 3 children born in Pancreas or Clerkenwell Middlesex: Anne, John Summer and Edward and 1 servant.  9 children the first eight were born in the London area with the ones born between 1838-1851 with mother’s maiden name Williams (S=GRO Online Index): Thomas (1837), Anne (Born: August 18, 1838 Grays Inn Lane, St. Pancreas (S8b), listed as Anne with father John Carlile a silk manufacturer and mother Ann Carlile formerly Williams born at 4 Arthur Street), John Summer (1841), Christina (1843), Edward (1845), Steward (1846), Mary (Born: October 15, 1848 Peckham, Camberwell, Surrey (S8b), listed as Mary with father John Carlile a small parcel carrier and Ann Carlile formerly Williams born at 23 Nelson Square, Peckham) and Alfred Langston (1851).  The youngest son Walter Hildred Carlile was born in Australia (1853).  The family moved to Australia in 1853 and John Carlile died of consumption on the voyage when off Maderia.  Wife’s second Husband: in 1867 Ann married Dr. Thomas Shearman Ralph.  Wife’s Death: 1882

e.      Janet Carlile (1805-1887).

9.     Agnes Carlile (1759-1760).

10.  Robert Carlile (1761-1762).

11.  Mary Carlile (1763-1808).  Born: 1763 in Paisley.  Marriage: 1803 to Rev. William Ferrier.  Death: 1808 without issue.

12.  Edward Carlile (1766-1833).  - See Carlile Generation 2.

 

Carlile Generation 2: Edward Carlile (1766-1833) and Elizabeth Richardson (c1772-1838)

·       Born: 1766 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland (S=History of the Carlile Family).  July 31, 1766 (S1c).

·       Baptized: August 3, 1766 Low Church, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland (S1c).  Listed as Edward Carlile with parents John Carlile and Janet Birkmire.

·       Marriage: July 15, 1795 St Luke, Finsbury, Islington, London (S3).  Listed as Edward Carlile and Elizabeth Richardson.

·       Occupation: Edward Carlile moved to London in 1782 and founded the business of warehouseman at Bow Lane, in Cheapside and was joined later by his son James Emlyn Carlile and his nephew William Carlile (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       Death: 1833 (S1burial).  August 16, 1833 (from the History of the Carlile Family).

·       Burial: August 23, 1833 St. John Hampstead, Camden (S1burial and S7).  Listed as Edward Carlile age 67.

·       Probate: September 4, 1833 (S6) and Will dated October 5, 1830.  Listed as Edward Carlile of Bow Lane in London a haberdasher.  His will lists his wife Ely Carlile, son James Emlyn Carlile, his daughter Janette Ann Carlile, his nephews William Carlile and John Carlile, his partner John Pittman and his three brothers: William Carlile, James Carlile and Thomas Carlile.

·       Wife’s Death: July 20, 1838 Edmonton, Hampstead, Middlesex (S8d).  Listed as Elizabeth Carlile age 66 the widow of the late Edward Carlile who died of dropsy at Hampstead with  James Emlyn Carlile of High Street, Hampstead present at her death.

·       Wife’s Burial: not found.

·       Wife’s Probate: not found.

·       Children:

1.     James Emlyn Carlile (1803-1859) – See Carlile Generation 3.

2.     Elizabeth Bloomfield Carlile (1807-??).  Born: November 1, 1807 (S1c).  Baptized: December 17, 1807 St. John at Hampstead, Camden, Middlesex (S1c), listed as Elizabeth Blowfield Carlile with parents Edward and Elizabeth Carlile.

3.     Janette Ann Carlile (1810-1889).  Born: June 31, 1810 (S1c).  Baptized: July 11, 1810 St. John at Hampstead, Camden, Middlesex (S1c), listed as Janette Ann Carlile with parents Edward and Elizabeth Carlile.  Death: November 2, 1889 (S6).  Marriage: 1833 Hampstead, (England, Pallot’s Marriage Index 1780-1837 available on ancestry.com), listed as Janette Ann Carlile and Benjn Edwd Willoughby.  Death: November 2, 1889 (S6). Probate: December 5, 1889 Principal Registry, listed as Janette Ann Willoughby late of 4 Bedford Square, Middlesex, widow with effects £53,272 proved by George Phillip Willoughby at 4 Bedford Square solicitor and son and Douglas Arden barrister.

 

Carlile Generation 3: William Carlile (1787-1853) and Anne Maria Hopkins (1787-1862)

·       Born: February 15, 1787 Paisley (from the History of the Carlile Family).

·       Baptized: February 25, Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland (S1c).  Listed as William Carlile with parents James Carlile and Agnes Warand.

·       Wife’s Birth: November 25, 1787 Norton Forgate, Bishopsgate (S=History of the Carlile Family)

·       Marriage: November 6, 1817 St. Mary Aldermary, London (S3).  Listed as William Carlile a bachelor of St. Mary Aldermary and Anne Hopkins a spinster of St Mathew Betnhal Green, Middlesex with James Emlyn Carlile and Elizth Carlile present at the marriage.

·       Occupation: William Carlile left Paisley, Scotland in 1805 for London where he joined his uncle Edward Carlile in business as a warehouseman at Bow Lane in Cheapside the firm being named Edward Carlile & Nephew.  He became the head of the firm in 1833 and remained so until his death (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       1834 page 360 and 1837 page 368 of the Register at St. Mary Aldermary (S=London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 available at ancestry.com).  Listed in 1834 as William Carlile with a warehouse at 12 Bow Lane and in 1837 as William Carlile with warehouses at Bow Lane.

·       1839 Freedom of the City: September 7, 1839 (S=London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1930 available at ancestry.com).  Listed as William Carlile age 52 of No. 11-12 Bow Lane, St. Mary Aldermary carrying on business as a warehouseman was the son of the late James Carlile of Paisley, Scotland a manufacturer deceased (Note: the ancestry index incorrectly lists the year as 1830).

·       1841 Census:  Acre Lane, St. Mary Brixton, Lambeth, Surrey (S4).  Listed as Wm Carlile age 50 a merchant born in Scotland, Ireland or a foreign place with Anne age 45 not born in the county and 4 younger Carlile’s: Edward age 20, Jame Wm age 15, Sarah Ann age 15 and Elizabeth age 10 and 3 servants and 1 bookkeeper.  (Note: Wm’s age is incorrectly listed as 30 and the male Jame Wm is incorrectly listed as a female in the census index). 

·       1851 Census: 100 Acre Lane, St. Matthew, Brixton, Lambeth (S4).   Listed as Wm Carlile age 64 a general merchant born in Scotland with wife Anne age 62 born in Norton Forgate and 2 children: undecipherably age 24 born in Islington and Elizabeth M. age 20 born in Islington, and 3 servants, a sister Mary Wilson a widow age 55 an annuitant born in Scotland and a female cousin undecipherably unmarried age 44 born in Scotland.  (Note: the surname is incorrectly listed as Carlow in the census index). 

·       Death: August 7, 1853 Brixton, Lambeth, Surrey (S8d), listed as William Carlile age 66 a gentleman who died of marasmus at Acre Lane.  August 7, 1853 (S=History of the Carlile Family). 

·       Burial: August 15, 1853 South Metropolitan Cemetery, Norwood Cemetery, Lambeth (S1burial).  Listed as William Carlile of West Brixton age 66.

·       Probate: November 24, 1853 London with Will dated March 5, 1853 (S6).  Listed as William Carlile of Bow Lane, London a warehouseman.  The will lists his wife Anne Carlile, sons Edward Carlile to continue as a partner in Carliles, Pittman & Co. and James Carlile to continue as a partner in James Carlile, Sons & Co. in Paisley, Scotland, his cousin James Emlyn Carlile Esquire and John Pittman Esquire.  

·       1861 Wife in Census: 16, Regency Square, Brighton, Sussex (S4).  Listed as Anne Carlile age 72 a widow and fundholder born in Tower Hamlets, Middlesex with 2 daughters: Isabel Robertson and Eliza Hopkins, 1 visitor and 1 servant.

·       Wife’s Death: November 14, 1862 Kensington Town, Kensington (S8).  Listed as Anne Carlile age 73 the widow of William Carlile a gentleman who died of chronic disease of the heart at 3 Argyll Road.  November 14, 1862 at Argyll Road, Kensington (S6).

·       Wife’s Burial: November 21, 1862 South Metropolitan Cemetery, Norwood Cemetery, Lambeth (S1burial).  Listed as Anne Carlile age 72 of Argyll Road, Kensington.

·       Wife’s Probate: January 31,1863 Principal Registry (S6).  Listed as Anne Carlile late of 33 Argyll Road, Kensington, Middlesex widow with effects under £450 to her daughters Sarah Ann Morris (wife of William Morris Esquire) of Clapham Park, Surrey and Elizabeth Hopkins Carlile of 33 Argyll Road, spinster.

·       Children: (note: some of the children’s death dates are from a family tree on ancestry.com)

1.     Edward Carlile (1819-1901). – See Carlile Generation 4.

2.     Sarah Anne Carlile (1821-1899).  Born: December 2, 1821 Durham Place, Bethnal Green, Middlesex (S=England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com), listed as Sarah Anne Carlile with parents William Carlile and Anne Hopkins.   1841 Census with parents (S4).

3.     James William Carlile (1823-1909). 

·       Born: September 5, 1823 Durham Lane, Bethnal Green, Middlesex (S=England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com), listed as James William Carlile with parents William Carlile and Anne Hopkins. 

·       1841 Census: with parents:  listed as Jame Wm Carlile age 15 not born in the county. 

·       First Marriage: July 2, 1850 Middle Church, Paisley, Scotland (S1m). listed as James William Carlile age 27 and Mary Whiteman age 20. 

·       Occupation:  After some years in London, James William Carlile became a partner in James Carlile, Sons & Co in Paisley in 1843 until 1853 when he joined Jonas Brook & Brothers a thread manufacturer in Meltham Mills near Huddersfield with whom his father was connected for forty years (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       1851 Census:  not found. 

·       1859 Freemason Initiation Harmony, Huddersfield: August 11, 1859 (S=England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1765-1921 available at ancestry.com), listed as James William Carlile age 36 a cotton spinner. 

·       1860 London City Directory, page 172 lists Jas. Carlile Sons & Co. thread manufacturers at 11 Bow Lane, Cheapside (S=ancestry.com search for James Carlile). 

·       1861 Census: 31 Thickhollings Hall, Meltham Mills St. James, Meltham, Yorkshire (S4), listed as James William Carlile age 37 a cotton thread manufacturer master born in London with wife Mary age 31 born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, 2 children: Alice Woodhams and Agnes Mary, 1 niece Beatrice Carlile age 6 born in London, 1 governess and 4 servants. 

·       1871 Census:  32 Thickhollings, Meltham Mills St. James, Meltham, Yorkshire (S4), listed as James W. Carlile age 48 a sewing cotton thread manufacturer and owner farming 14 acres born in Hackney, London with wife Mary age 41 born in Scotland and 2 children: Alice W. born in Scotland and Agnes M. born in Meltham, 1 niece Ada Morris age 17 born in Brixton, London, 1 governess and 6 servants. 

·       1st Wife’s Death:  July 16, 1892 Hertford, Hertfordshire (S8d), listed as Mary Carlile age 62 the wife of James William Carlile a landed proprietor who died of carcinoma of he lungs at Ashendene, Bayford with her son William Walter Carlile in attendance.    July 10, 1892 (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       Second Marriage: December 4, 1895, Little Berkhampstead, Hertford (S5m). listed as James William Carlile a widower from Ponsbourne Park, Hatfield and Elizabeth Walker Crossley.  

·       1901 Census: not found. 

·       Second Wife’s Death: July 14, 1903 Hatfield, Hertfordshire (S8d), listed as Elizabeth Walker Carlile age 72 the wife of James William Carlile a J. P. who died of rheumatic pericarditis at Ponsbourne Park, Hatfield with her step-son W. W. Carlile in attendance. July 14, 1903 at Ponsbourne Park (S-History of the Carlile Family). 

·       Death: December 5, 1909 Strafford on Avon, Warwickshire (S8d), listed as James William Carlile age 86 a landowner J. P, D. L. who died of pneumonia at Temple Grafton Court, Grafton with his daughter Alice W. Gregg present at the death. December 5, 1909 at Temple Grafton Court, Alcester, Warwickshire (S6).  

·       Probate: December 23, 1909 London (S6), listed as James William Carlile of Gayhurst Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire with effects £270,752 to William Walter Carlile esquire, Victor Wilson Carlile Esquire and Thomas Sturmy Cave colonel his majesty’s army. 

·       Children: William Walter Carlile, Alice Woodham Carlile and Agnes Mary Carlile.

4.     Margaret Carlile (1825-1844).  Born: April 17, 1825 Canonbury Lane, Islington, Middlesex (S=England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com), listed as Margaret Carlile with parents William Carlile and Anne Hopkins.

5.     Isobel Robertson Carlile (1827-1910).  Born: February 14, 1827 at 10 Canonbury, Lane, Islington, Middlesex (S=England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com), listed as Isobel Robertson Carlile with parents William Carlile and Anne Hopkins.  1861 Census: with parents (S4).

6.     Elizabeth Hopkins Carlile (1830-1908).  Born: September 4, 1830 at No. 10 Canonbury, Lane, Islington, Middlesex (S=England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com), listed as Elizabeth Hopkins Carlile with parents William Carlile a wholesale haberdasher and Anne Hopkins.  1841, 1851 and 1861 Censuses with parents (S4).

 

Carlile Generation 3: James Emlyn Carlile (1803-1859)

·       Born: October 9, 1803 (S1c).

·       Baptized: February 9, 1804 St. Mary Aldermary, London, Middlesex (S1c).  Listed as James Emlyn Carlile with parents Edward and Elizth Carlile, House Keeper N. 11 Bow Lane.

·       Marriage: never married.

·       Occupation: James Emlyn Carlile joined his father’s business as a warehouseman at Bow Lane in Cheapside (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       1834 page 360 and 1837 page 368 of the Register at St, Mary Aldermary (S=London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 available at ancestry.com).  Listed in 1834 as James Carlile with a warehouse at 12 Bow Lane and in 1837 as James Emlyn Carlile with warehouses at Bow Lane.

·       1840 and 1851 London City Directory, Hampstead, Middlesex (S=ancestry.com with search of James Emlyn Carlile).  In 1840 in the Nobility, Gentry and Clergy section, page 414 and in the 1851 Gentry section 520.  Listed as James Emlyn Carlile Esq. of High Street.

·       1841 Census: not found.

·       1851 Census: 62 High Street, St. John Hampstead, Middlesex (S4).  Listed as James E. Carlile unmarried age 46  a Manchester warehouseman born at St Mary Adler Manbury, London living with Sarah Ray age 56 a widow and cook, 2 housemaids and a groom.

·       1852 Register Hampstead Polling District (S=London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 available at ancestry.com).  Listed as James Emlyn Carlile at High Street, Hampstead with copyhold dwelling-house and land.

·       Death: February 26, 1859 Hampstead, Middlesex (S8d), listed as James Emlyn Carlile age 55 a gentleman who died of cardiae disease and bronchitis at High Street with Sarah Ray present at his death.  February 26, 1859 (S1burial and S6).

·       Burial: March 4, 1859 St. John Hampstead, Camden (S1burial).  Listed as James Emlyn Carlile of Hampstead age 55.

·       Probate: March 17, 1859 Principal Registry (S6).  Listed as James Emlyn Carlile Esquire late of Bow Lane, Cheapside and of Hampstead bachelor with effects under £40,000 to his sister Janette Ann Willoughby of 4 Bedford Square, St. George, Bloomsfield, a widow the only next of kin.

·       Children: no children.

 

Carlile Generation 4:  Edward Carlile (1819-1901) and Maria Louisa Wilson (c1825-1908)

·       Born: July 27, 1819 Durham Place East, Bethnal Green, Middlesex (S=England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com), listed as Edward Carlile with parents William Carlile and Anne Hopkins.

·       Baptized: October 17, 1819 St. Thomas, Hackney, Middlesex (S1c).  Listed as Edward Carlile with parents William and Ann Carlile.

·       1841 Census: with parents (S4).  Listed as Edward Carlile age 20 not born in the county.

·       Marriage: 4th QTR 1845 Lambeth (S5m), listed as Edward Carlile and Maria Louisa Wilson.  November 18, 1845 (from the History of the Carlile Family).

·       Occupation:  Carlile joined his father’s business as a merchant at Bow Lane in Cheapside later becoming the head of the firm until his retirement in 1879 (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       1851 Census: 81 Brixton Hill Road, St. Mary Lambeth, Brixton, Lambeth (S4).  Listed as Edward Carlisle age 31 a merchant born in Hackney, Middlesex with wife Maria L. age 26 born in Kensington, Surrey and 3 children: Wilson, Margaret and Florence and 3 servants.

·       1861 Census: not found.

·       1871 Census: 186 Queensbury, Clapham, Wandsworth, Surrey (S4).  Listed as Edward Carlile age 51 a general merchant born in Hackney, Middlesex with wife Maria L. age 46 born in Lambeth, Surrey and 8 children: Florence, Edward H., Beatrice M., Eleanor A., Isabel, Marie L., Willoughby and Janet E. and 3 servants.  (Note: Edward Carlile is incorrectly listed in the census index as age 57).

·       1881 Census: not found.

·       1891 Census: 16 Kings Rd, Kingsbury, Richmond, Surrey (S4).  Listed as Edward Carlile age 71 living on own means born in London with wife Maria L. age 66 born in Clapham, Surrey and 3 children: Eleanor A., Isabel and Janette E., and 5 servants.   

·       1901 Census: 5 Kings Rd, Kingsbury, Richmond, Surrey (S4).  Listed as Edward Carlile age 81 living on own means born in Hackney, Middlesex with wife Maria L. age 76 born in Clapham Park, Surrey and 2 children: Isabel and Janet E. and 7 servants. 

·       Death: October 28, 1901 Richmond, Surrey (S8d), listed as Edward Carlile age 82 of independent means who died of chronic prostatitis at Kingsbury, Kings Road, Richmond with his son E. Hildred Carlile present at his death.  October 28, 1901 (S6).

·       Burial: not found.

·       Probate: January 10, 1902 London (S6).  Listed as Edward Carlile of Kingsbury, Richmond Hill, Surrey with effects £31,447 to Reverend Wilson Carlile clerk, Edward Hildred Carlile Esquire, Isobel Carlile spinster and Thomas Sturney Cave Esquire.

·       Wife’s Death: February 28, 1908 Woking, Guildford, Surrey (S8), listed as Maria Louisa Carlile age 83 the widow of Edward Carlile a warehouseman who died of influenza and senile decay at Kingsbury, Coley Avenue, Woking with her daughter Isobel Carlile present at her death.  February 28, 1908 (from the History of the Carlile Family).

·       Wife’s Burial: not found.

·       Wife’s Probate: not found.

·       Children: (note: some of the children’s death dates are from a family tree on ancestry.com)

1.     Wilson Carlile (1847-1942).  - See Carlile Generation 5.

2.     Margaret Carlile (1849-1938).  Born: 1st QTR 1849 Lambeth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Margaret Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  1851 Census: with parents (S4).

3.     Florence Carlile (1850-1908).  Born: 4th QTR 1850 Lambeth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Florence Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.   1851 and 1871 Censuses: with parents (S4).

4.     Edward Hildred Carlile (1852-1942).  Born: 3rd QTR 1852 Lambeth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Edward Hildred Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson, July10, 1852 (S=History of the Carlile Family).  1871 Census: with parents (S4).  Marriage: 3rd QTR 1876 Islington (S5m), listed as Edward Hildred Carlile and Isabella Hanbury, August 22 1876 (S=History of the Carlile Family).  Occupation: Edward Hildred Carlile became a partner in the firm Jonas Brook & Brothers, Meltham Mills, Huddersfield.  When this firm merged in J. & P. Coats, Limited, he became a Director of that Company, but later retired. In 1906 he became a member of parliament in Hertfordshire (S=History or the Carlile Family).  1911 Census:  Ponsbourne Park, Newgate Street, Hertford, Hertfordshire (S4), listed as Edward Hildred Carlile age 58 a member of parliament born in Brixton with wife Isabella age 55 born in Stoke Newington and 7 servants.  Indicated they were married 34 years and had 5 children all still living.  Death: September 26, 1942 (S6).  Probate: February 25, 1943 Llandudno (S6), listed as Sir Edward Hildred Carlile, C.B.E. baronet of Bishops Down Grange, Tunbridge Wells with effects £593,024 to Thomas Brooke retired major H.M. army, Eleanor Cicely Southey widow, Donald Geoffrey Pelly bank director, and Beatrice Gundreda Brooke, wife of the said Thomas Brooke. Children: There were five children of the marriage (S=History or the Carlile Family): Edward Hildred Hanbury, Janet Mary Muriel, Eleanor Cicely, Dora Isobel, and Beatrice Gundreda.

5.     Beatrice Maria Carlile (1854-1935).  Born: 3rd QTR 1854 Lambeth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Beatrice Maria Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.   1871 Census: with parents (S4).

6.     Julia Carlile (1857-1871).  Born: 1st QTR 1857 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Julia Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson. 

7.     Eleanor Anne Carlile (1859-1891). Born: 1st QTR 1859 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Eleanor Anne Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  1871 and 1891 Censuses: with parents (S4).

8.     Isobel Carlile (1860-1951). Born: 2nd QTR 1860 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Isobel Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  1871, 1891 and 1901 Censuses: with parents (S4).

9.     Marie Louise Carlile (1862-1951). Born: 2nd QTR 1862 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Marie Louise Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  1871 Census: with parents (S4)

10.  Willoughby Carlile (1863-1872). Born: 4th QTR 1863 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Willoughby Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  1871 Census: with parents (S4).

11.  Janette Elizabeth Carlile (1866-1953).  Born: 4th QTR 1866 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Janette Elizabeth Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  1871, 1891 and 1901 Censuses: with parents (S4).

12.  James Victor Carlile (1867-1871). Born: 4th QTR 1867 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as James Victor Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson. 

 

 Carlile Generation 5: Wilson Carlile (1847-1942) and Flora Vickers (c1848-1925)

·       Born: 1st QTR 1847 Lambeth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Wilson Carlile with mother’s maiden name Wilson.  January 14, 1847 (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       1851 Census: with parents (S4).   Listed as Wilson Carlile age 4 born in Stockwell, Surrey.

·       1861 Census: not found.

·       Marriage: June 10, 1870 Twickenham, Middlesex (S8m), listed as Wilson Carlile age 23 a bachelor and silk merchant who resided in Twickenham with father listed as Edward Carlile a haberdasher and Flora Vickers age 22 a spinster.  February 19, 1870 (S=History of the Carlile Family).

·       1871 Census: 132 Hanover Lodge, Streathaam, Wandsworth, Surrey (S1).  Listed as Wilson Carlile age 24 a plush importer born in London with wife Flora age 23 born in London and 1 servant.

·       Occupation:  Wilson Carlile worked at a young age and became the head of the firm Benjamin Wilson & Co in Southwark.  He subsequently joined  his father at Carlile, Pittman & Co until it was sold in 1879 to the city house Foster, Porter & Co. and then Wilson become a priest and founded the Church Army (S=History of the Carlile Family). 

·       1881 Census: 26 Campden Grove, Kensington, Chelsea, London (S4).  Listed as Wilson Carlile a lodger age 34 married and a curate of Kensington born in Stockwell, Surrey living in the household of Sarah A. Damant a lodging house keeper.

·       1881 Wife in Census:  not found.

·       1891 Census: The Rectory Parish Church of St. Andrew, Netteswell, Stockwell, Surrey (S4).  Listed as Wilson Carlile age 43 rector of Netteswell employer clergy born in Stockwell, Surrey with wife Flora age 41 born in Brixton, Surrey and 5 children: Victor Wilson, Edward, Christopher, Harold Glyn and Reginald Clifford, and 3 servants.

·       1901 Census: not found.

·       1901 Wife in Census: 1 Torthorwold, St. Paul, Dorking, Surrey (S4).  Listed as wife Flora married age 53 born in Brixton, Surrey and 2 children:  Victor W. and Harold Glyn and 4 servants.

·       1911 Census: Torthorwald, Dorking, Surrey (S4).  Listed as Prebendery Wilson Carlile age 64 clergyman and head of the Church Army born in Brixton with wife Flora age 63 born in Brixton and 2 children: Victor Wilson and Harold Glyn and 3 servants. Indicated they were married 40 years and had 5 children all still living.

·       Wife’s Death: January 8, 1925 Dorking, Surrey (S8d).  Listed as Flora Carlile age 76 the wife of Wilson Carlile a clerk in holy orders who died of rheumatoid arthritis and cerebral embolism at Torthorwald, Chart Lane, Dorking.   January 8, 1925 (S6).

·       Wife’s Burial: not found.

·       Wife’s Probate: April 21, 1925 London (S6).  Listed as Flora Carlile of Torthorwald near Dorking, Surrey, wife of the reverend Wilson Carlile clerk, with effects £1,144 administered to Christopher Carlile assistant school master.

·       Arriving Passenger List: Departed Southampton on England May 15, 1926 and arrived in New York on May 21, 1926 sailing on the S.S. Aquitania (S=New York, US, Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1957 available at ancestry.com).  Listed as Wilson Carlile age 80 a widow and clergyman and English citizen from London.

·       Incoming Passenger List:  Departed from Montreal, Canada arrived in Plymouth, England on July 5, 1926 sailing on the Cunard Ascania (S=UK, and Ireland, Incoming Passengers Lists, 1878-1960 available on ancestry.com).  Listed as Wilson Carlile age 79 a clergy from London.  (Note: the passenger index incorrectly lists the arrival date as July 4, 1926).

·       Death: September 26, 1942 Woking, Surrey North Western, Surrey (S8d), listed as Wilson Carlile age 95 a clerk in holy orders St. Paul’s Catherdral, London who died of cerebral thrombosis and senile decay at Kingsbury, Coley Avenue, Woking.  September 26, 1942 (S6).

·       Burial: not found.

·       Obituary: October 3, 1942 Bath Weekly Chronical and Harald (S=UK and Ireland, Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800-current available at ancestry.com).  Listed as Preb. Wilson Carlile founder of the Church Army.

·       Probate: February 22, 1943 Llandudno (S6).  Listed as Reverend Wilson Carlile of Kingsbury Coley Avenue, Woking, Surrey clerk with effects £17,845 to Victor Wilson Carlile organizing secretary and Edward Carlile secretary.

·       Children: (note: some of the children’s death dates are from a family tree on ancestry.com)

1.     Victor Wilson Carlile (1872-1960). Born: 3rd QTR 1872 Wandsworth (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Victor Wilson Carlile with mother’s maiden name Vickers.  1891, 1901 and 1911 Censuses: with parents (S4).

2.     Edward Carlile (1876-1958).  Born: 2nd QTR 1876 Brentford (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Edward Carlile with mother’s maiden name Vickers.  1891 Census: with parents (S4).

3.     Christopher Carlile (1878-1964).  Born: 3rd QTR 1878 Richmond, Surrey (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Christopher Carlile with mother’s maiden name Vickers.  1891 Census: with parents (S4).

4.     Harold Glyn Carlile (1882-1956).  Born: 1st QTR 1882 Kensington (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Harold Glyn Carlile with mother’s maiden name Vickers.   1891, 1901 and 1911 Censuses: with parents(S4).

5.     Reginald Clifford Carlile (1884-1971).  Born: 3rd QTR 1884 Kensington (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Reginald Clifford Carlile with mother’s maiden name Vickers.  1891 Census: with parents (S4).

 

Pittman Generation 1:  John Pitman and Ann ??

(Note:  there was not enough evidence found to determine his man’s birth, marriage and death dates and the surname of his wife)

·       1841 Census: Church Street, Milborne Port, Somerset (S4).  Listed as John Pittman age 80 not born in the county and Ann age 80 born in the county and 3 others with the surname Pittman born in the county: Caroline age 40, Jemina age 35, and Matilda age 30.

·       Children: (all of these births with parents John and Ann Pittman are from the Independent Milbourn Port, Somerset (S=England, Wales, Non-Conformists and Non-Parochial Registers, 567-1936 available at ancestry.com).

1.     Mary Ann Pitman (1787-??).  Born: March 30, 1787.

2.     Hannah Way Pitman (1788-??).  Born: November 20, 1788.

3.     Eliza Martha Pitman (1790-??).  Born: August 12, 1790.

4.     John Way Pittman (1794-1881). - See Pittman Generation 2.

5.     Caroline Pitman (1796-??).  Born: March 8, 1796.

6.     Jemina Pitman (1798-??).  Born: May 2, 1798.

7.     Robert Pittman (1800-1879). - See Pittman Generation 2.

 

Pittman Generation 2:  John Way Pittman (1794-1881) and Harriet Pittman (c1804-1882)

·       Born: August 14, 1794 Independent Milbourn Port, Somerset (S=England, Wales, Non-Conformists and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936 available at ancestry.com).  Listed as John Way Pittman with parents John and Ann Pittman.

·       Baptized: not found.

·       Marriage: June 9, 1825 St. Giles without Cripplegate, London (S1m).  Listed as John Pittman of St. Mary Aldermary a bachelor and Harriet Pittman a spinster.

·       1834 and 1837 Register (S=London, England Electoral Registers,1832-1965 available at ancestry.com), St. Mary Aldermary.  In 1834, page 367, listed as John Pittman with a warehouse at 12 Bow Lane and in 1837 page 377 listed as John Pittman with warehouses at Bow Lane.

·       1841 Census: not found.

·       1850 London City Directory, page 947 (S=ancestry.com search for John Pittman).  Listed as John & Rt. Pittman who. haberdshrs. see Carliles’, Pittman & Co.

·       1851 Census: not found.

·       1855 Register (S=London, England Electoral Registers,1832-1965 available at ancestry.com), page 332.  Listed as John Pittman, 22 Duncan Terrace, Islington, houses, 11, 12 and 13 Bow Lane.

·       1861 Census: 22 Duncan Ter., St. Mary, Finsbury, Islington (S4).  Listed as John Pittman age 66 a merchant haberdasher born in Melbourne, Somerset with wife Harriet age 56 born in London and 5 children: Harriet, Emma, Amelia, Frederick and Julia, and 1 son-in-law Dudley L. Long and 3 servants. 

·       1871 Census: 22 Duncan Ter., St. Mary, Islington (S4).  Listed as John Pittman age 76 a retired merchant born in Somersetshire with wife Harriet age 66 born in London and 4 children: Frederick, Matilda, Emma and Julia A., and 3 servants.

·       1881 Census: 103 Ivy House, Church Street, Warminster, Wiltshire (S4).  Listed as John Pittman age 78 a retired merchant born in Milbourne Port, Dorset with wife Harriet age 77 born in London and 3 children: Matilda, Emma and Julia A., and 1 servant.

·       Death: December 5, 1881 Warminster, Wiltshire (S8d), listed as John Pittman age 87 a gentleman who died of senile decay and inflammation of the bladder at Ivy House, Church Street, Warminster with his son Fredk Pittman present at his death.  December 5, 1881 (S7 and S6).

·       Burial: December 10, 1881 St. Denys with St. Lawrence, Warminster, Wiltshire (S1burial and S7).  Listed as John Pittman age 87 of Ivy House, Church Street. 

·       Probate:  January 26, 1882 Principle Registry (S6).  Listed as John Pittman late of Warminster, Wilts a gentleman with personal estate £4,035 proved by Reverend Thomas Gilbert of Warminster, dissenting minister Robert Erskine Simson of Dartmouth Park, Highgate, Middlesex and Harriet Pittman of Warminster widow.

·       Wife’s Death: April 7, 1882 Warminster, Wiltshire (S8d), listed as Harriet Pittman age 78 the widow of John Pittman a gentleman who died of paralysis at Ivy House, Church Street, Warminster with her son Fredk Pittman present at her death.  April 7, 1882 (S6).

·       Wife’s Burial: April 13, 1882 St. Denys with St. Lawrence Warminister, Wiltshire (S1burial).  Listed as Harriet Pittman of Ivy House, Church Street age 78.

·       Wife’s Probate: May 17, 1882 Salisbury (S6).  Listed as Harriet Pittman late of Warminster, Wilts with a personal estate of £517 proved by her daughters Maltilda Pittman and Julia Ann Pittman both of Warminster spinsters.

·       Children: (note: some of the children’s death dates are from a family tree on ancestry.com)

1.     Harriet Pittman (1826-??).  Born: September 16, 1826 and Baptized: January 3, 1827 St. Luke, Old Fleet Street, Finsbury, London (S1c), listed as Harriett Pittman with parents John and Harriet Pittman.  1861 Census: with parents (S4).

2.     Matilda Pittman (1830-1921).  Born: August 28, 1830 and Baptized: December 1, 1830 St. Luke, Old Fleet Street, Finsbury, London (S1c), listed as Matilda Pittman with parents John and Harriet Pittman of President Street East with father’s occupation haberdasher.  1871 and 1881 Censuses: with parents (S4).

3.     Selina Pittman (1832-1839).  Baptized: September 12, 1832 St. Luke, Old Fleet Street, Finsbury, London (S1c), listed as Selina Pittman with parents John and Harriet Pittman of President Street East with father’s occupation haberdasher.

4.     Emma Pittman (1835-??).  Baptized: December 9, 1835 St. James, Clerkenwell, Islington (S1c), listed as Emma Pittman with parents John and Harriet Pittman of Chadwell with father’s occupation haberdasher.  1861, 1871 and 1881 Censuses: with parents (S4).

5.     Amelia Pittman (1836-1870).  Baptized: December 2, 1836 St. James, Clerkenwell, Islington (S1c), listed as Amelia Pittman with parents John and Harriet Pittman of 10 Chadwell with father’s occupation merchant.  1861 Census: with parents (S4).

6.     Robert Pittman (1839-1907).  Born: 2nd QTR 1839 St. James, Clerkenwell (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Robert Pittman with mother’s maiden name Pittman.

7.     Frederick Pittman (1842-??).  Born: 3rd QTR 1842 St. James, Clerkenwell (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Frederick Pittman with mother’s maiden name Pittman.  1861 and 1871 Censuses: with parents (S4).

8.     Julia Pittman (1844-1931).  Born: 1st QTR 1844 The Islington District (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Julia Pittman with mother’s maiden name Pittman.  1861, 1871and 1881 Censuses: with parents (S4).

9.     Emily Pittman (1845-1858).  Born: 4th QTR 1845 The Islington District (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Emily Pittman with mother’s maiden name Pittman.

 

Pittman Generation 2:  Robert Pittman (1800-1879) and Mary Deborah Garrett Brine (c1819-1911)

·       Born: May 31, 1800 Independent Milbourn Port, Somerset (S=England, Wales, Non-Conformists and Non-Parochial Registers, 567-1936 available at ancestry.com).  Listed as Robert Pittman with parents John and Ann Pittman.

·       Baptized: not found.

·       1837 Register (S=London, England Electoral Registers,1832-1965 available at ancestry.com), St. Mary Aldermary, page 377 listed as Robert Pittman with warehouses at Bow Lane.

·       Marriage: September 23, 1841 St. James, Clerkenwell, Islington (S8m).  Listed as Robert Pittman a merchant who resided at 11 & 12 Bow Lane whose father was John Pittman a gent and Mary Deborah Garrett Brine.

·       1841 Census: not found.

·       1850 London City Directory, page 947 (S=ancestry.com search for John Pittman).  Listed as John & Rt. Pittman who. haberdshrs. see Carliles’, Pittman & Co.

·       1851 Census:  4 Downs Park Road, St. John’s Tower Hamlets, Hackney, Middlesex (S4).  Listed as Robert Pittman age 50 a merchant born in Milbourne Port, Somerset with wife Mary age 36 born in Wheathill, Somerset and 1 child: Ellen and 2 servants and 1 visitor Thomas Brine.

·       1855 Register (S=London, England Electoral Registers,1832-1965 available at ancestry.com), page 332.  Listed as Robert Pittman, Down’s Park road, Hackney, houses, 11, 12 and 13 Bow Lane.

·       1856 Freedom of the City dated October 10, 1856 (S=London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1930 available at ancestry.com).  Listed as Robert Pittman son of John Pittman late of Milburne Port, Somerset a gent, deceased who occupied 11, 12 & 13 Bow Lane, Cheapside doing business as a merchant.

·       1861 Census: 4 Downs Park Rd, St. John’s Tower Hamlets, Hackney, Middlesex (S4).  Listed as Robert Pittman age 60 a house proprietor born in Milbourne Port, Somerset with wife Mary age 42 born in Wheathill, Somerset and 1 child: Mary and 2 servants.

·       1871 Census: not found.

·       Death: January 3, 1879 Headcorn, Hollingbourn, Kent (S8d), listed as Robert Pittman age 78 a gentleman who died of debility from old age at Langley with Mary D. G. Pittman widow of the deceased present at his death.  January 3, 1879 at Belmont House (S6).

·       Burial: January 9, 1879 Langley, Kent (S1burial).  Listed as Robert Pittman age 78.

·       Probate:  February 14, 1879 Principal Registry (S6).  Listed as Robert Pittman late of Belmont House, Langley, Kent with personal estate under £5,000 proved by Mary Deborah Garrett Pittman widow of Belmont House and John Edmund Brine of Rowlands, Wimbourne, Dorset a surgeon.

·       1881 Wife in Census: not found.

·       1891 Wife in Census: not found.

·       1901 Wife in Census: not found.

·       Wife’s Death: June 14, 1911 All Saints, Hastings (S8), listed as Mary Deborah Garrett Pittman age 92 widow of Robert Pittman of independent means who died of senility and cardiac failure at 10 St. Helen’s Park Road, Hastings.  June 14, 1911 (S6).

·       Wife’s Burial: not found.

·       Wife’s Probate:  August 1, 1911 Lewes (S6).  Listed as Mary Deborah Garrett Pittman of 10 St. Helen’s Park Road, Hasting a widow with effects of £10,626 to Albert Havelock Case civil engineer and Ellen Stutely widow.

·       Children:

1.     Robert Edmund Pittman (1842-??).  Born: 4th QTR 1842 The City of London Union (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Robert Edmund Pittman with mother’s maiden name Brine, October 21, 1842 (S1c).  Baptized:  November 18, 1842 St. James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex (S1c), listed as Robert Edmund Pittman with parents Robert and Mary Deborah Garrett Pittman of 11 & 12 Bow Lane, Cheapside with father’s occupation listed as merchant.  Married: July 11, 1886 St. Thomas Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets (S8m), listed as Robert Edmund Pittman age 44 a hop porter whose father was Robert Pittman deceased a warehouseman and Matilda Price age 38 a widow.

2.     Mary Ellen Pittman (1844-??).  Born: 3rd QTR 1844 The City of London Union (S=GRO Online Index), listed as Mary Ellen Pittman with mother’s maiden name Brine, July 29, 1844 (S1c).  Baptized: September 3, 1844 St. James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex (S1c), listed as Mary Ellen Pittman with parents Robert and Mary Deborah Garrett Pittman of 12 Bow Lane, Cheapside with father’s occupation listed as merchant.  1851 and 1861 Census: with parents (S4).

 

 

Avery Needle Cases with the Carliles, Pittman & Co. Name Stamped on It

1.     Royal with Vase - Mechanical Patent #: 2998 (Fig. 13) dated October 14, 1869 registered by William Avery, needle manufacturer, and Albert Fenton, machinist, from Redditch (S=British Library - Business and Intellectual Property Centre, London).